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    Re: are we using government money wisely?

    I don't know in America they hardly even tell us anything anymore so who knows what they are doing with the money.


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    Re: are we using government money wisely?

    Of course not. Not only does the government owe us trillions of dollars (We can thank every president since the 60's for this) but we're tossing our money all over the world.


    Firstly, Reagan increased our national debt much more than even Bush has, I fail to see why everyone liked Reagan. As a matter of fact, the ONLY president to DECREASE our national debt since the 60's was Clinton but unfortunatly, all the good things Clinton did got ****ed up by Bush.

    If that wasn't enough we're throwing money everywhere. We're the world's number one charity organization. We give tons of money out to poor and developing countries....why? I have always felt we should break off contact with the rest of the world in this sense.

    People dying of AIDs in the Congo? **** 'em, they're dropping like flies with or without our aid. Why don't we use that money to help with the AIDs research in our own country?

    People starving to death in Nigeria? **** them too. We have homeless and starving citizens as well. Thankfully not nearly as much as Nigeria but it doesn't matter, we shouldn't be helping others when we still need to help ourselves.

    People being oppressed by a tyrannical dictator? **** them more. Why should we have anything to do with it? We should do what every other country does and sit back and watch the oppression from the sidelines, perhaps grab some popcorn and a soda. It isn't our problem so why the **** do we always make it our problem? Everytime we go out of our way to stop localized evil we get dirty looks from the rest of the world. The world didn't much like what we did in Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, and they damn sure don't like what we're doing now. I say localized evil because if someone is trying to take over the world (instead of ****ing over the people in a country or two) then it is our problem. If there is another Hitler running around trying to take over the world, we should stop him. Unless of course it's us who's doing it, then we should fight even harder. The problem of opression will fix its self when the people either overthrow the leader themselves, or the leader dies of old age and his replacement isn't a prick. How long will that take? Could be 10 days, could be 10 decades. Eitherway.....not our problem.


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    We should stop throwing our money away to "just causes" because if we stopped supplying aid to all those 3rd world/AIDs infested/opressed countries today, in ten years the only difference we would see is more money in our pockets to spend on productive things like fixing domestic problems and finally developing fusion power.

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    Re: are we using government money wisely?

    The sad thing is everyone blames Bush and every other president in history for the large spending...when you should know that the President couldn’t spend a dime without approval from Congress.

    Congress approves every Budget and every change to a Budget. Now nothing should be spent outside of the Budget but obviously it is given the 8 trillion national debt we have. Now if you were paying attention this means that during Clinton's administration there was a REPUBLICAN majority in congress (the first 2 were Democrat and the next 6 were Republican). Just like now their REPUBLICAN majority in congress now.

    So how does that translate into massive differences in the gains in national debt in Clinton’s administration and Bush’s? Does that mean the president carries the influence to make such a broad difference in the two administrations...maybe or maybe not...I tend to think that is where the "politics" come in. The budget & spending plan is submitted by the President and then approved or rejected by Congress. Which says to me things are masked as Apples when they are really Oranges.

    Also things are submitted in a way it would have a negative reaction from the public (who elects officials) if it were shot down. Take the current situation with Iraq, no one is going to shot down funds for our troops and so anything submitted is approved...no matter how stupid the amount...and yet so little of it is actually used for our troops.

    Overall ...War...yeah that is right War has the biggest factor. Regan, Bush and GW Bush all had Wars or rumors of Wars, which were used to increase government spending and facilitated the large gaps in the deficit. So what did Clinton do different? He got the heck out of the Middle East and kept to himself.

    I will also say that if there is a surplus (meaning the government spent less then budgeted) the surplus was and has NOT been used to pay down the deficit. Clinton did have surpluses during his administration but again it was not used to pay down the deficit. Every year when certain loans come due they are paid off by the government (which is the paying down of national debt).

    However every administration since Kennedy has failed to pay down the national debt at a rate, which is greater, then the accumulation of new debt (you have to remember we are paying interest on that debt and that is factored into the new debt…. $159 billion in interest in 2004).

    So while I will strongly disagree that Clinton was the best President in the past number of years, I will agree that at least he didn't make THIS problem worse and in fact made LARGE efforts to slow the growth of the deficit. In his last year of administration the growth rate of the national debt was down to 0.32%...I don't want to even think about Bush Jr's rate 7-10% per year I think currently.

    Also I am not running down Clinton, Bush or any other president. I have not done their job, had to face any of the things they have nor would I want to. I just want people to stop give so much "credit" (either good or bad) to them for the problems with the US when if you really look at what "power" they have it isn't enough to make a difference in such a short time frame. Yeah, leader of the free world...whatever.

    It is the combination of the President and Congress that needs to be looked at. We need to get someone (doesn’t give a &^$# about republican or democrat) that will be dedicated to reversing the deficit. The problem with that is the most they can do it for is 8 years and that isn’t enough. You have to have a series of people that understand the problems this causes and are willing to fix it.
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    Re: are we using government money wisely?

    Thanks Chief.

    I'll just add that if you take the time to go to Welcome to the White House you can find information on the actual numbers of the deficit taken in proportion with the GDP (Gross Domestic Product). Believe it or not there is a comprehensive plan on just has and will (hopefully) be done to cut the deficit. If things stay on track then it should be cut in half by 2009.

    Now for whether the money is being used wisely? No, of course not. That won't change either until there is a law requiring that all addendums to bills have have an actual connection to the bill. Until then pork barrolling will continue on every side of the political spectrum with no accountability.

    As for Africa and AID's? There is already money being spent on that right along with poverty in the US. However.... the US is not a socialist country in spite of many peoples attempt to change that. There is a standard that people should work for what they have and that charitable contributions should help those in need. As such government assistance only goes so far. For that matter private citizens in the USA give more in charitable contributions yearly then every other country combined so I would say we are doing something right.

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    Re: are we using government money wisely?

    Off topic:

    *Eyes crying*

    I think with me coming to read in the debate area and having long posts to read, I really should get my new glasses soon, lost them some time when I stopped reading this section of the forum.

    Back on topic:


    Recently, I've read texts that have supposedly affected the way the united states have worked in politics. In liberalism not too long ago and now well: reletivism for the past generation or two. The author of this is Allan Bloom and the title....in French since my class is given in French is: "La grande vertu de notre époque". If you can understand the title, there is "great virtu" and "of our time" or something in those lines. He starts off by saying that after many studies, and ending up in higher levels of educations, every student usually says and believes that reality is relative.

    If you want to know more about Allan Bloom, I just found the English title of his work:

    The Closing of the American Mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And about the man:

    Allan Bloom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Maybe that could help a bit the subject, at least it rang a bell for me of why people act as they act....for the United States at least.

    I am not fully aware still of why all of this is happening, but behind all the speeches, lies and truths....I'd sure be happy to say what makes it all tick.
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    Re: are we using government money wisely?

    me personally I think bush isnt doing a very good job but if you were to do all the reserch on it youd see that on 9/11 he was in new york and he had notes on it that the middle east had sent to the white house and they were manufacturing toys to the USA that even gave HUGE hints on the twin towers, also he was thretining on them about oil andnow chinas on our ass cause they have sided and AHHHH! POLITICS!!!!

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    Re: are we using government money wisely?

    really you should say "is the goverment using our money wisley" and i don't think that they are becuase there are so many peolpe that are homeless and stuff like that. It's not like there not getting lots of money either they get trillions of dollars Personally i think that a group of monkeys could run the goverment better

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    Re: are we using government money wisely?

    Quote Originally Posted by fayt lingod View Post
    exactly, and now she thinks that we have the money to throw around to help someone else? we need to keep ouselves above the water or we can't keep anyone form drowning.
    we do have the money to throw around why? because bush dumb self gonna spend over 3 billion dollars on the war when they can tell when saddam husan is. we go wresck iraq but we use the money, our money to fix it?, so since you dont wanna help africa. at least his dumb ass can fic new orleans. it's still the same way it was a year ago.

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