Who killed the Electric Car?

*Dragon Ball* · Jan 13, 2007, 10:42 PM

I would have to strongly argue that it's the oil companies and their owners that have killed the electric car.

Found an interesting YouTube video today regarding Electric Cars.

YouTube - Who Killed the Electric Car trailer

I quote an excerpt from the video:

Quote:

The electric vehicle is not for everybody. It can only meet the needs of 90% of the population.

So why is the electric car not in full production? Because the ones that control the oil (aka, the White House), realise that there is too much profit on the tables that would disappear should the electric car replace the gasoline car. The electric car produces no exhaust but will also erode to the profits of the oil companies.

So there you go, put the blame on the oil companies and the politicians.

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 13, 2007, 10:50 PM

The blame has already been put to them not only for the electric car but also for the war. Half the reason we are over there is for the oil. Electric cars saved the environment not once did it pollute the ozone nor did it cause any problems nor alot of money. I would agree when you say it's the oil company and the politics fault.

*Dragon Ball* · Jan 13, 2007, 11:04 PM

Great! That makes 2 of us that agree. This is an easy debate then.

An all electric car by Mitsubishi is due for production for 2010 release. About $19,000. NO ENGINE. electric motors on the wheels. But somehow, I don't quite believe it will come to fruition.

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 13, 2007, 11:10 PM

There will also be a problem with Eletric cars to. I mean yes they are better but what if you are taking a long trip what are you to do then when your halfway down a road and you car stops? The same would go for solar powered cars and the sun what about at night? These are the questions that I am raising for this topic. I'm sorry to bring in the solar cars but I'm curious.

Miroku4444 · Jan 13, 2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ky-lyrra

There will also be a problem with Eletric cars to. I mean yes they are better but what if you are taking a long trip what are you to do then when your halfway down a road and you car stops? What are you to do? The same would go for solar powered cars and the sun what about at night? These are the questions that I am raising for this topic. I'm sorry to bring in the solar cars but I'm curious.

Well you would need a battery that charges in about the same time it takes to fill up a tank of gas.

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 13, 2007, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miroku4444

Well you would need a battery that charges in about the same time it takes to fill up a tank of gas.

So what are you saying to carry an extra battery around with you? Then you have the one battery that is dead and the one thatyou are using. What are you going to charge your other one with? I'm not saying I disagree but I'm just looking at all points because I already said I agreed about the cars.

*Dragon Ball* · Jan 13, 2007, 11:18 PM

Simple. You have 2 batteries and you can charge the other battery at any convenience shop, restaurant or whatever that offers quick charge.

Anyway, I'm more interested to know if anyone doesn't blame the politicians. They are power and money hungry and will only look after themselves not the people they are elected to govern. This is highlighted by the death of the electric car.

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 13, 2007, 11:28 PM

Politicans can careless what happens to us as long as they get paid. When the check gets messed with we have war in the politics. Hell when the twin towers were flown into Bush hid in a bunker. That was pitiful instead of helping he was hidding. He felt he was more important then the people and needed to be safeer then everyone else. When it was all over he came out of hidding and tries to act all big and bad. Now we are spending millions of dollars to fund the war in Iraq which I am sure more then half of it goes to the politics. As for power hungry they do not care what they do to ruin their competitions reputation as long as it is done and they get elected. Power hungry yes I'm just waiting for someone to be impeached. So that someone else can take their place.

*Silverskater145* · Jan 13, 2007, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ky-lyrra

Hell when the twin towers were flown into Bush hid in a bunker. That was pitiful instead of helping he was hidding. He felt he was more important then the people and needed to be safeer then everyone else. When it was all over he came out of hidding and tries to act all big and bad.

I think you need to step down from your soap-box. Bush isn't to blame for anything concerning 9/11. Secondly, ANY president would have been taken to a safe place when a national emergency of that nature happens. It comes with the job. Spare us the needless Bush bashing; he's not even the problem concerning Electric cars in general.

However, DB has got it right. Taking the gasoline car out of commission would put a damper on America's economy and businesses. In this day and age of capitalism, no one is going to change something that is simply bringing in the $$ for all kinds of people. Because let's face it, we all love our cars.

*Zui Quan* · Jan 14, 2007, 12:05 AM

Have any of you yet thought about the amount of fossil fuels it takes to generate the electricity to charge the car battery?

Also, today's current battery technology is not yet up to speed with the requirements for an all-electric vehicle. And those battery packs for electric vehicles are f'ing heavy. The high voltage battery used in Toyota's hybrids is over 400 pounds and takes up a good chunk of chassis space. With today's battery technology the battery required for an all-electric car is much heavier and much larger than a hybrid's battery. Taking a spare along doesn't make any sense.

Personally I don't blame the politicians. For one thing, they're not smart enough to figure out what's going on with electric vehicles. Second, as a Toyota Motor Manufacturing employee AND a former battery researcher I am well aware of the current limitations on electric cars. Now just isn't the time for an all-electric car. The power systems required to make it practical just aren't available yet. Lithium-polymer batteries are almost there, we just have to hang on a bit longer and settle for hybrids and ULEV gasoline cars.

GM yanked the EV-1 project purely on the basis that the numbers did not work out in a way that would make the shareholders happy.

*Ky-lyrra* · Jan 14, 2007, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverskater145

I think you need to step down from your soap-box. Bush isn't to blame for anything concerning 9/11. Secondly, ANY president would have been taken to a safe place when a national emergency of that nature happens. It comes with the job. Spare us the needless Bush bashing; he's not even the problem concerning Electric cars in general.

However, DB has got it right. Taking the gasoline car out of commission would put a damper on America's economy and businesses. In this day and age of capitalism, no one is going to change something that is simply bringing in the $$ for all kinds of people. Because let's face it, we all love our cars.

Quote:

Anyway, I'm more interested to know if anyone doesn't blame the politicians. They are power and money hungry and will only look after themselves not the people they are elected to govern.

I believe that Dragon Ball was wanting to know about the Politicians and last I checked Bush is the head Politican seeing as how he is the President. So read the post fully before stating that it has nothing to do with cars or what Dragon Ball wanted.

It's not only Bush though I mean look at the government is anything they do really fair? Some can justify that it is right or some just turn their heads and say that it didn't happen but others don't like what the government is doing. Raising taxes for the stupidest of things for examples. I mean come on.

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Dragon Ball I Hate Junk Posting Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 1,351 Thanks: 17 Thanked 87 Times in 29 Posts Credits: 17,564	Re: Who killed the Electric Car? Great! That makes 2 of us that agree. This is an easy debate then. An all electric car by Mitsubishi is due for production for 2010 release. About $19,000. NO ENGINE. electric motors on the wheels. But somehow, I don't quite believe it will come to fruition. __________________ FAVOURITE THREADS EXPLAIN why, or risk an infraction. BE WARNED Junk Posting Not cool! Find out why. MOVE YOUR STUFF FleaMarket Member's Trading Pit!
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Ky-lyrra Lost In My Own World Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fruityville, Florida Posts: 1,532 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 5,282	Re: Who killed the Electric Car? There will also be a problem with Eletric cars to. I mean yes they are better but what if you are taking a long trip what are you to do then when your halfway down a road and you car stops? The same would go for solar powered cars and the sun what about at night? These are the questions that I am raising for this topic. I'm sorry to bring in the solar cars but I'm curious. __________________ ™Mommy To Micah!™ Thanks For The Tag Aiora! Last edited by Ky-lyrra; Jan 13, 2007 at 11:13 PM. Reason: Asked same question twice needed fixing.
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Dragon Ball I Hate Junk Posting Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 1,351 Thanks: 17 Thanked 87 Times in 29 Posts Credits: 17,564	Re: Who killed the Electric Car? Simple. You have 2 batteries and you can charge the other battery at any convenience shop, restaurant or whatever that offers quick charge. Anyway, I'm more interested to know if anyone doesn't blame the politicians. They are power and money hungry and will only look after themselves not the people they are elected to govern. This is highlighted by the death of the electric car. __________________ FAVOURITE THREADS EXPLAIN why, or risk an infraction. BE WARNED Junk Posting Not cool! Find out why. MOVE YOUR STUFF FleaMarket Member's Trading Pit!
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Ky-lyrra Lost In My Own World Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fruityville, Florida Posts: 1,532 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 5,282	Re: Who killed the Electric Car? Politicans can careless what happens to us as long as they get paid. When the check gets messed with we have war in the politics. Hell when the twin towers were flown into Bush hid in a bunker. That was pitiful instead of helping he was hidding. He felt he was more important then the people and needed to be safeer then everyone else. When it was all over he came out of hidding and tries to act all big and bad. Now we are spending millions of dollars to fund the war in Iraq which I am sure more then half of it goes to the politics. As for power hungry they do not care what they do to ruin their competitions reputation as long as it is done and they get elected. Power hungry yes I'm just waiting for someone to be impeached. So that someone else can take their place. __________________ ™Mommy To Micah!™ Thanks For The Tag Aiora!
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