Originally Posted by chiefblackhammer

This is slightly off subject but your focus of anger is misguided. I say this because I am sick and tired of people (media & the American populous) who have no idea of how our government actually works, putting all the blame on the President for the war. This is the very reason we now have a democratic congress, not because people voted for the best candidate (and I am not saying the democratic candidates weren’t the best) but because the war is blamed on the republicans and the president.

You should be angry at all those presidential candidates that are senators and GASP voted for the war (the president has no power to declare war, it was approved by congress...and it was…and of which most of the front running democrats & republicans voted "Yea" to...only Obama didn’t vote “Yea” and that was because he wasn’t a US senator at the time )

Proof:
Iraq War Senate Vote Breakdown

Now you can argue that the Senate didn’t have access to all the information the president had and thus the president purposely mislead the US people. BULL CRAP! The SAME information was provided by the CIA to the senate and they voted off the same premise the president had. So if you hear that load of crap from someone that said “Yea” to the war, then know that either they are:
1) Lying
2) Lazy and didn’t look at the actual information (do you really want a president like that?)
or
3) Based on the information at hand when they voted they thought it was a good idea but don’t want to commit political suicide that being “for” the war is right now and thus back to # 1 they are lying.

So don’t believe a lie and also know all the governmental spending in Iraq…also congress issued and approved… so don’t blame the president for that either. You can blame him for us still being over there but that and as far as if the war in Iraq is right or not that is a very different subject I won’t hi-jack this thread with.

Now somewhat back on topic: PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHO YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR! Please don’t just listen to the media, take a look at their voting habits as apposed to what they “SAY” they stand for. Look for someone with strong economical aspirations for the country, someone who is for the people and their welfare…and when you don’t find them…please try to find the closest thing to it…which at this point may not even be a human…I.E. the candidates we have running now, lol

Originally Posted by Astaroth

Personally........I see the election of a president is like selecting a kinf during when monarchy was still around. He or she is just like a model for people to look up to.........or most of the time to hate

Originally Posted by trustworthy

I don’t know if this is the right place for this or not, though it seams to be. So if it isn’t, I am sorry, mod’s just move it please to the right place.

Anyways, here it is, who are you supporting for president, why, if you are unsure, ask questions and people try to answer them. We can talk about all of the candidates views, and plans, and everything, but there will be no bashing or rudeness. If you don’t like a candidate, say why, but do not demean them; or anyone who supports them. This is an open debate and discussion, questions, answers, and statements are all allowed.

Originally Posted by divine_punishment

I honestly don't care who wins. Clinton . . . Obama . . . a third-party candidate . . . So long as they can take care of the United States, maintain and strive for better connections with other countries, and do what is right/just . . . that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by LenMiyata

Grumble Grumble Grumble

But you see, that's the whole point. If Al Gore had won that election, do you think we would have an army of occupation in the Middle East right now?!?!