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    Re: Witchcraft: fact or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Miroku4444 View Post
    Ok, now i see why you hate witches. Your religion says so.

    PS: Yes there are good spirits, and no not the Holy Spirit. lol
    1. My religion doesn't have anything to do with anything.

    2. I never said that I hated witches, but merely their practice.

    3. I was only using the Holy Spirit to give an example of a "good" spirit.

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    Re: Witchcraft: fact or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
    Ah... no. Actually my particular religion has made very few statements on the subject. My belief in this case is based entirely on what members and previous members have told me that they saw and did personally, many of which agree with me. In fact they were far more damning then I have been. I also never said the people themselves were evil.


    ...and in many cases I would agree with your second point. Power corrupts.

    So much for putting words in my mouth.
    Well then i guess your views come form a moral viewpoint or how you look at life. I know there are bad ppl out there that practice this stuff in a evil way. Just not everyone is like that though. There will always be ppl that abuse religion and turn it ugly(i.e ISlam).

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    Re: Witchcraft: fact or fiction?

    Witchcraft isn't necessarily real, a person cannot physically do any thing something to another with the 'magic' of chants and such, but they can affect them mentally... it all depends on the person you're asking...
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    Re: Witchcraft: fact or fiction?

    Just something i copied of the Net...
    Pretty interesting....

    A Letter To Witches
    A LETTER TO WITCHES
    By Dr. Robert A. Morey
    The following is a letter that Dr. Morey has written to teenage witches that he thought you might like to share with others.
    I see from the pentagram you wear and all your magical charms that you believe in the power of magic. Perhaps you have attended a Wiccan gathering or you have participated in some magic rituals. I don't know.
    But so many questions fill my mind. Have you "drawn down the moon" yet? Have you ever felt a power come upon you? Do you worship a particular goddess? Have you been initiated? Do you have a Wiccan name? Have you gone skyclading? Are you in the outer or inner circle? Have you used blood in your rituals? Have you ever called forth a familiar spirit?
    The reason I am writing you is that I have studied the occult for thirty years and I have come to certain conclusions.
    Now, I know that you will disagree with some of my conclusions because we have traveled different paths. But I have added the benefit of the testimonies of those who used magic in the highest levels possible such as the Golden Dawn and the O.T.O. and then have come to faith in Christ and now have renounced magic.
    All I ask is that you have an open mind and give serious attention to the things I now bring up. Remember an unexamined faith is a worthless faith.
    I. The fact that magic does not work.
    After all the talk about the "power" that people can get from magic, I have never known a more powerless group of people.
    Many of those who use magic are sick all the time. They go through mulitple marriages. They have money problems. Their cars get flat tires. They get their share of flu’s and colds.
    Even more seriously, they cannot beat their own drug or sex addiction. They are usually in bondage and totally powerless to change their life for the better.
    If magic really worked, they would never be sick. They would win every horse race in town! They would own Wall Street by now! They would be able to maintain a successful marriage.
    But the fact is, you waste a lot of money and time on magic and are no better off. In fact, you will end up worse off.
    If magic worked, witches would be picking up the winning lottery numbers every week. But the fact is that when the "rubber meets the road" magic simply does not work.
    II. Their lame duck excuses as to why they are sick or why they can't keep their marriage together or why they aren't rich, are weak and feeble.
    One psychic "healer" (a relative of mine) is sick all the time. Her husband is dying of cancer! When she boasted to me of her magical powers, I confronted her with the rather obvious fact that her magic did not work for her or her ex-husband. She replied that her magic will not work for herself.
    But who says that you cannot heal yourself by magic? Where is it written down? And who says that your husband or wife cannot use magic to heal you? If her magic cannot help herself or her husband, then what good is it?
    I could not help but point out that she was always crying about money problems. What use is her magic if it cannot make her rich?
    III. A magical world view is internally contradictory and hypocritical.
    A. To say, "there are no moral absolutes" is to give an absolute.
    B. To say, "Do what thou wilt, this is the whole of the law" has been used to justify everything from black magic to human sacrifice. If there are no standards, then on what grounds can they condemn child abuse, Hitler, murder, etc.? They can't.
    C. To say, "everything is relative" and "there is no evil," and then to turn around and say that Christianity is "evil" is contradictory.
    D. To say, "Everyone has the right to believe what they want" and then condemn Christians for what they believe is contradictory.
    E. To say, "Do what thou wilt" and then tell Christians NOT to do what they wilt is hypocritical.
    F. To say, "that it is wrong to judge/condemn others," and then to judge/condemn Christians is contradictory.
    IV. A magical view of life does not correspond to reality.
    G. No magic is going to make you thin if you do not stop eating. No magic will make you rich if you do not get up and go to work.
    H. The claim of modern witches that they are reviving pre-Christian paganism is not true historically. The rituals and beliefs of modern day magic are of recent origin.
    I. My brother in law who is in the occult told me he was going to use magic to get himself a parking space in N.Y.C. I in turn told him that I would ask Jesus to get me a space. He drove around for four hours before finding a place while I found one immediately and did not have to go around the block even once! His magic was not even good enough to find him a parking space!
    J. A magical view of life is a cop out and it breeds irresponsibility. Instead of taking responsibility for their life, those who use magic always blame "bad luck" or claim that someone is using black magic against them. The truth is that YOU are responsible for the choices you make in life - not magic.
    K. It attracts people with mental problems. Sad but true. I have seen this many, many times. The State Mental Hospitals are filled with people who were users of magic. It appeals to people with those kind of problems.
    L. They live in constant fear of the powers they draw down. Hence they need the occult protection of the circles, towers, shields, charms, etc.. What a terrible religion of fear!
    M. If you depend upon trinkets such as pentagrams to protect you, you do not have any real power. To think that a stupid piece of metal or glass is going to protect you from a demon you summon is absurd.
    N. The lust for blood is evil. It has led to horrible crimes. Killing animals and people for their "energy" is wicked as well as criminal.
    O. Sex magic is filthy and gross beyond words and involves child abuse, bestiality, sodomy, etc. You will never have a normal satisfying sex life once you debase yourself in sex magic.
    P. Magic is for losers.
    The greatest magicians always end up broke, alone, and miserable. Check to see what happend to people like Crowley. They were all losers.
    Whenever a true Christian challenges them, the magicians always lose.
    I have challenged occultist to take their best shot and they always failed. On one occasion, a coven sent demons to kill me but I didn't even get a headache!
    Q. While there is a lot of hate and lust in magic, there is no love. If you leave or reveal the secrets, they will try to kill you.
    I helped to move a girl from Philadelphia to Florida to escape her former occult friends. If they really loved her, why did they try to kill her? If she wanted to leave the group, why did they object to her doing what she wilt?
    R. There is no forgiveness, comfort or salvation in magic. It has no Savior or God who loves and cares for you.
    The occult is lonely, sad, cold and sterile.
    S. The Bible says that true power behind the magical arts is satanic. Those who deny this are dupes of the devil.
    These are just a few things that came to mind as I thought about what I have seen in thirty years of research in the occult.
    The Lord Jesus Christ has broken the power of magic and has brought life, love and immortality to light through the Gospel. Jesus is Victor!
    The occult has nothing to offer that compares with the love of Jesus. Turn to Him in repentance. Renounce your witchcraft and the works of the devil. Burn your magic books and mash your altars. Turn or burn. Repent or perish! Jesus is the answer. John 3:36.
    STOP! THINK! ETERNITY IS A LONG TIME TO SPEND IN HELL!
    John 14:6 KING JAMES BIBLE "Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE: NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME."

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    Re: Witchcraft: fact or fiction?

    So sayith the lord. Hmm, no bias toward witches there.

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    Re: Witchcraft: fact or fiction?

    It seems like there are quite a few 'preachers' on here. Which leads me to ask this question...

    Why do you like anime/manga so much when it seems to go against what you believe in?

    Shouldn't the content be blasphemous to what you deem holy? It suprises me that many people argue the point of witchcraft when what they enjoy so much contains so many elements of what they're told to hate. It just goes to show that people don't always practice what they preach.

    PS.
    I didn't mean any offense to you Silverskater, I was only saying your statement was ignorant not you.

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    Re: Witchcraft: fact or fiction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Miroku4444 View Post
    We will return to the Billy Ghram hour in a moment and now a word form our sponcers.

    witchcraft is not evil anymore than christanity.

    lol I went to one of Billy Ghram's cult....I mean Christian gatherings. It was the freakiest thing I've ever been to. Literally thousands of people walked slowly down the stadium steps crying and waving their arms in the air trying to "touch" Jesus, hundreds fell to their knees, I bet he could have told them to beat up the person next to them and they would have done it. Then after a prayor he goes "We'll gladly accept any donations you have, please give them to the door attendents as you leave."

    Dr. Robert A. Morey is no Dr. if he uses the word "losers" when refering to someone and it's also un Christian of him to do so. Also the King James version was written to support a corrupt king. Most kings were corrupt, the bible doesn't mention, but King David was a murderer, he killed his best freind so he could marry his wife. There are a lot of instances that are left out of the bible, like how about when the bible says Moses parted the sea and then closed it onto the Pharaoh and his soldiers killing ALL of them, yet Pharaoh Ramses lived to be around 90 years old with good health and had the largest army of the time.
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    Re: Witchcraft: fact or fiction?

    So sayith the lord. Hmm, no bias toward witches there.
    Yes that is true and i think that most of the comments he made being a dr. or not is the truth and i would like to hear from the so called withes.


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