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Old Dec 28, 2007, 12:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Women in Society

Just before school gave holidays for the christmas we were debating in English class. We debated about many things. But there was one matter which caused a stir in my class.
We were talking about women in society.
The matter was that in this day and age since women are working outside the home it has caused a negative impact, not only in the home, but society in general. We were split into two groups, one group was for this statement and the other group ws against this statment. The debating really got heated in some points that people were bringing up, but it doesnt matter now.
I want to hear from the people of AO.
Does women workin ouside the home have a negative impact on society?
Tell me if u are for or against this statement. And tell me your reason why u chose the side u did.

For me im totally against this statment. One reason being that women have been mostly referred to the weaker sex in almost all nations since time has memories. Now in this day and age women have an oppurtunity to show that we have a talent beyond the kitchen. I do agree that in some countries women are still banned from even leaving the house. But we are showing that its not only a man's world anymore. We are showing how strong and independant we can really be.

what are your reasons if you are for or against this statment.

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Old Dec 28, 2007, 01:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Women in Society

I am so totally against that statement.........
First of all.....I just have to say this.....that women are smarter than men (sorry guys, but I am a true feminist)
They bring so much to the society and they really do broaden its horizons
Women have come far from the ancient times.......I mean come one.....we have Hilary running for president!!!!
Soon.....women shall have all the power.......
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Old Dec 28, 2007, 01:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Women in Society

To say that women are smarter than men is probably taking it to the extreme XD. Men are good at some things, women are good at others...it's just how we are. Not one is better or smarter than the other lol

anywho a bit more on topic..

I wouldn't say working women are an negative impact on society. I mean how can the fact that women now have more equal rights have a negative impact on any society. Maybe from a mans point of view XD and I'm sure a man would think of plenty to say on the topic in a non-series manner.

But, the only effect that I see it having on society is coming from a family point of view. If the mother now works and so does the dad, who's is at home for the children. Though, it's not dependant on society at whole more on individual families and it's not always a negative aswell.

So I disagree with the extremity of the statement. It's not a negative impact, but I think to some extent it has changed the way we think and view the society.
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Old Dec 28, 2007, 01:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Women in Society

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I am so totally against that statement.........
First of all.....I just have to say this.....that women are smarter than men (sorry guys, but I am a true feminist)
They bring so much to the society and they really do broaden its horizons
Women have come far from the ancient times.......I mean come one.....we have Hilary running for president!!!!
Soon.....women shall have all the power.......
I wouldn't say smarter. I look at men and women as equals. Anything I can do, I'd expect a woman to be able to do similarly--not better.

I WOULD say that women are more rational though. I've never seen a woman act without reasoning unless it was called for. Rarely will I meet a woman who has little to no tact. Although I DO know of a couple.

Women are naturally more polite and are generally happier people to be around. I feel that women should be treated as equal members of society. Hell, there are times when I think that women should be honored and praised, simply because they are bearers and creators of life.

Without women, we'd all be gay, LOL.

On a serious note, to summarize my post; working women in society have more of a positive impact today than ever.
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Re: Women in Society

I am also against the statement. There is no problems as far as I can see with women wanting to get out and go to work. They have qualities that men do not have.

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First of all.....I just have to say this.....that women are smarter than men (sorry guys, but I am a true feminist)
That I also disagree with haha. I see women and men much differently, but not in intellect. Where as Sprout said, sometimes men act irrational in some situations. A woman would rarely do this. Then again you must look at it this way, women tend to blow things completely out of proportion in their heads, where men keep things just plain and simple.

Trying not to stray from the topic though. I cannot see how there is any negative impacts with women working outside the home. Personally I am glad women getting out and working. I have read, and heard that it empowers them. And if it makes the women in the family happy, it makes me happy ^_^
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Re: Women in Society

i think women have a lot more power then men today, but they're not using it that well. most are so caught up trying NOT to be feminine, that they end up doing a bad job. personally, i don't really take comfort with women and power... and i'm a woman, i know how they are... quite frankly, i wouldn't mind being a stay-at-home mom, and i resent any women who want to make me feel bad about my decision.

you shouldn't scorn something that you're good at! why is being nuturing and caring bad? but whatever...

at the end of the day, i hate feminism!
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Old Dec 28, 2007, 09:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Women in Society

I see where you're coming from Abu, but feminism isn't (or shouldn't be) about forcing women to do anything. It's about giving women choices that they were denied for a long time. If a woman wants to stay at home and raise her children full time, that's her choice and it's a good one. But on the other hand, if she wants to work full time and skip mommyhood altogether, that's her choice too, and she should be able to do it with getting any flack for it. Financially, it's incredibly difficult to raise even a single child on one salary. I think a lot of women work not because they don't want to be viewed as feminine, but because it's the only way to keep the family above the poverty line.

Also, being a woman doesn't mean you're automatically good at nurturing/caring for children. There are plenty of women out there who shouldn't be within 100 yards of a child, but they're expected to be good mothers simply because of their gender. That's not fair either, is it? I have nothing but the utmost respect for good parents, but I also respect and admire women who can admit that they don't want to or don't have what it takes to be mothers. Raising children isn't an easy thing to do, so better that some people not do it than do it badly.
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Re: Women in Society

Honestly I really doubt there are anyone who would not be against that statement for the sake of being politically correct and avoid getting his or her head bit off. Im just saying that if you want to encourage a real debate then you got to be ready for the most far off stuff instead of "please speak your mind, but then watch out we are going to get you".
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Honestly I really doubt there are anyone who would not be against that statement for the sake of being politically correct and avoid getting his or her head bit off. Im just saying that if you want to encourage a real debate then you got to be ready for the most far off stuff instead of "please speak your mind, but then watch out we are going to get you".
Yeah that is true, really hard to say otherwise and not be flamed off the board.

I shall come out of the shell a bit though. I agree with Abu Dhabi, to the extent that naturally most women are natural born nurturers. A nurturer to a child sometimes must stay home and help where help is needed. Looking at it that way I suppose there is some negative impact on society. In the sense that the child is left to fend for itself and not learn some common morals. Resulting to sometimes a problematic child, that some people would consider a negative impact to society.


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I see where you're coming from Abu, but feminism isn't (or shouldn't be) about forcing women to do anything. It's about giving women choices that they were denied for a long time. If a woman wants to stay at home and raise her children full time, that's her choice and it's a good one. But on the other hand, if she wants to work full time and skip mommyhood altogether, that's her choice too, and she should be able to do it with getting any flack for it. Financially, it's incredibly difficult to raise even a single child on one salary. I think a lot of women work not because they don't want to be viewed as feminine, but because it's the only way to keep the family above the poverty line.

Also, being a woman doesn't mean you're automatically good at nurturing/caring for children. There are plenty of women out there who shouldn't be within 100 yards of a child, but they're expected to be good mothers simply because of their gender. That's not fair either, is it? I have nothing but the utmost respect for good parents, but I also respect and admire women who can admit that they don't want to or don't have what it takes to be mothers. Raising children isn't an easy thing to do, so better that some people not do it than do it badly.
i suppose so, i'm sorry about getting so jumpy... all the feminists i've been around are as "pig-headed" as the men they're "defending" themselves against. so, i got a little defensive~! sorry~!

however, i will admit that there are women who can't raise a houseplant and men who know velvet from velveteen and are not gay.

but back on topic, i think that the salary defference doesn't really hold water, even if it's becuz the salary is "supposedly" second income, that's really not the case anymore.
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Re: Women in Society

Really, the only negative thing I see about women working in the work place is that it's easier to cheat on your girlfriend/wife... but then that gets nulled out by being able to actually make women friends while working.

The reproductive physiological differences in men and women don't really change how well they can work, though men's and women's brains are hardwired a little differently... Still, both men and women do have the capacity to learn, right? It's just environmental factors, varying work ethics, sometimes physical factors (how much stamina do they have? etc.) and the knowledge of how to do certain things right that determine how well a man or a woman can do a job. And while women do have smaller muscles than men, women can be just as strong as men... it's just that not many women want to look like they're on steroids XD.
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