The thing is that we don't really know what God is. Even if he exists, we don't really know if he's all-knowing, all-powerful, or even good. It's all just speculation. All we can do, is analyze whatever concepts we have, and see if they make sense. This is our best chance of being right.
So does this make sense...
A God who is infinite in power, goodness, love, and knowledge....would create living, feeling, conscious individuals, and then torture them for eternity for decisions he knew they would make. He tortures them on earth, and then again in hell. If God is truly all-powerful, then he could create goodness without suffering.
**Stands up and claps** I couldn't have said it better myself--and I was gonna try for a while there, LOL. But I completely agree with you. I wish that everyone else could see it that way. We have free will because God wanted us to make choices for ourselves. Your mother lets you put clothes on all by yourself, because she wants you to make... What's that? Right, CHOICES! The choices you make are your choices and YOU have to take responisbility for them, not God, not anyone else; just you.
I lived most of my life making horrible decisions and big mistakes and y'know what? I learned from them, just as we humans were put here to do. If you put a fork in an electrical socket, I'd bet you wouldn't do that again, would ya??? If anyone answers yes, you still can't blame God; blame DNA. My point is that you gotta make what you can out of life, telling people about why you're pissed off at God doesn't do diddly-squat.
Another thread with religion/God... Like I have stated before that I am sure of... I'm not into the whole religion thing... Like Sprout' I too was brought up into a church (for a while) & both parents praise God & give thanks to Jesus Christ... Me on the other hand *thinking to myself*...
Now to answer some questions... Why not be angry at God..? For real, if you have the Creator of all life who could of kept us in eternal bliss, but instead banish us from the "Garden" for eating an apple from the tree of knowledge(hate to see what he would of did over a butterfinger)lol, but let a conniving traitor who tried to over throw him live... Who is like his mortal-enemy by the way... And we all know when you have a chance to get rid of your arch-nemisis, you do it... It is like he gave us both the same punishmnet for totally different crimes "BANISHMENT"... That's like giving a rapist a thief's sentence & giving the thief a rapist's sentence... They're both the same people...
Now if God would of kept us in eternal bliss & did away with Lucifer truthfully speaking; would you even know about chaos & a damn ying/yang... How would you if all you know is happiness..?
By the way I am not angry with God, but I can see why people would be...
I will answer your other questions later... I just didn't want this post to get way out of hand... Meaning too long ^_^
The heart can't lie... Truth is... I love you!!!
Anyway, maybe if God would've done something about the problem to begin with things would be different. BUT... How do we know that. We would know too much to stay in the Garden in bliss. The fruit of knowledge made Adam and Eve ashamed of thier nakedness. Remind you of a certain 5 billion people? We'd be too worried about making clothes and hiding our genitals to live in bliss. Plus, with or without the devil, sin would exist; due to the fact that we've already bit the apple, obtained the knowledge and know much more than before the snake said, "go ahead, apples are great!"
I'd love to continue, but I gotta go chase my bus. I'll come back and edit or reply to another opinion in few hours. I hope I made sense.
However, on the subject of Good and Evil, I have always felt that these 2 forces r separate from Light and Dark forces (Yin and Yang if u will) and sometimes it's hard ta tell the difference between the 2. The reason for this is that both Good and Evil use the forces of Light (which represent Life, Order, Creation, etc) and Dark (Which represents Death, Chaos, Destruction, etc.), however one can make a destinction between the 2 if one looks carefully enough. Case in point, Many call Saddam and evil man and his rule over his country evil as well. Yet his country existed in a state of Light; i.e it had a stable economy, little crime, etc.; so how do we know that his rule was an evil one? This is why I say that Good and Evil r separate forces from Light and Dark, we know that Saddam's rule was an evil one cause Evil exists ta cause imbalance ta the forces of Light and Dark. Sure Saddam brought peace ta his country, but only by destroyin' any options and rights his ppl had and rulin' the region wit an Iron Fist. Evil causes imbalance where ever it goes, too much Law=Tyranny; too much Chaos=Anarchy; too much Life=Famine; too much Death=Extinction, and the list can go on and on. Good is the opposin' force ta Evil that seeks ta maintain the balance of Light and Dark. Good both destroys and creates wit equal impuinity, which is why 2 nations who have good ppl and leaders could wind up goin' ta war wit one another (which is often caused by a misunderstanin'). However, I feel that though the world can' exist w/o Good, that it definately can exist w/o Evil. Then why does God allow Evil ta exist then, Priestess Angel said it the best; it all boils down ta "choice." It is up ta us ta decide where we stand, Free will is both a burden and a blessin'. If God destroyed Evil, it would make him no better than Saddam rulin' over his country the way that he did. It is our decision and our responsibility ta choose a side and ta oppose the other. If Evil didn' exist, this would take that choice away from us and that wouldn' b right. I used ta often asked myself this question, "If God knew that Adam and Eve were gonna partake of the Fruit of Knowledge, after He had told them not ta, why then did he let them do it?" I figured out the answer ta that question long ago and ta me it makes sense. If they hadn' partakin' of the Fruit, Mankind wouldn' have the choices, knowledge, wisdom, and understandin' that it has today. I believe that Innerhell said that the story of the Fruit was taken off of the story of Pandora, this is true but bare wit me for a moment, one thing that u haveta remember is this; although Pandora released all that was bad inta the world, she was never seen as a villian; but as a heroine by the Greeks. The reason for this is that, along wit the bad things, she also released the one thing that became a shinin' beacon for mankind. She released Hope. Ta me the story of the Fruit is a lesson how things exist inna balance; sure Adam and Eve placed a heavy burden upon mankind, but they also gave us the greatest gift that any livin' being could ever wish for. Cause of that, I will always look upon them as Heroes. Sure free will can b a burden at times, but ohh what a wonderful burden it is ta bear. I'd much rather bear this burden, then ta jus' exist in life as an automation; in that existense I would b jus' livin' and nothin' more.
Last edited by Joe Mage; Aug 06, 2008 at 04:15 AM. Reason: Had ta correct somethin'
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These people are just being stupid and want to lay blaim on god because they dont got the balls... Or the breats... To face the fact that sh*t happenes and or that it was their fault to begine with. Its easy to point to finger but just realize that when you do pont your fingure that there are three pointing back at you. People now a days are losing the main idea behind religion and that is peace, love, understanding, tolerance. Which many have become hypocrits to. I tend to be open minded and blend science and religan and have come up with pretty good conclusions FOR MY SELF as to the mystery of our existance. If some one wants to agree or disagree, fine, I respect your opinion but dont shove it in my face if you disagree. You cant prove or disprove his existance.
I am so sick of these Threads.
Last edited by Scourge; Aug 05, 2008 at 11:09 AM.
"MY DEAR... I GIVE YOU THE CAPELLAN CONFEDERATION"AND THUS THE WAR WAS STARTED NOT BY GUN SHOT BUT BY WEDDING BELLS
Now let me say first I agree with what you & many others are saying a good percent... It makes totally sense... I just thought I would give a view on why others might be angry with God or better yet why I don't do the whole religion(Mind you; I find it intriguing)...
You are right about us knowing too much cause of the tree of knowledge... My thing is, if Lucifer was already gone would Eve been tempted by the serpent to take a bite out of the apple..? I don't know maybe we was made to sin... *thinking* You know to make things more interesting cause as I think about it God had to know we was going to mess with that apple... He basically told Adam & Eve they can have anything they wanted in the Garden, but just don't touch/mess with the tree of knowledge... Now Adam & Eve are like kids (they might look like adults, but were like kids) & we all had that time when a parent said don't mess with something you went ahead anyways... I myself think that God himself got bored & helped create chaos & gave us free will, made us a bunch of sinners, struck a deal with Lucifer... Told him since he wants to rule he can rule the underworld/hell & he can have all of mankind that is unworthy for the heavens... Let the soap opera called "Life" begin... Like I stated in my other post "BANISHMENT" for eating an apple towards banishment for trying to over throw a kingdom... It all seems to coincidental/unfairly <not the word I am trying to go for, but hopefully you get what I am trying to say> God didn't want Adam & Eve to live in the Garden of Eden, he wanted them to fail, so like many here posted that we will know heaven when we see it or if we see it... I really do believe that all this started over boredom though...
I have to cut my words short... Until the next post & J' Mage I hear ya' I'll reply to you later, but really don't need to cause you make a lot of sense & I do understand where you are coming from... Until next time ^_^
The heart can't lie... Truth is... I love you!!!