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Old May 11, 2008, 05:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: soul calibur 4 sexists?

Are they trying to compete with the ladies from Dead or Alive? 'cause it looks like they are.

It may just be a new art style but it definitely seems like they are trying to get all the males hooting and hollering for bigger bust sizes Lol. Those things are just gonna get in the way...or perhaps they will be weapons? Haha I'm rambling.
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Old May 11, 2008, 06:17 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: soul calibur 4 sexists?

you all bring up good points.
but i feel that there are some women who enjoy playing soulcalibur might be offended.
yes the targeted audience are males i get that but if you get the game just because the girls look sexy then you actually play the game, you might think why did i buy this game for.
look at DOA there is no blalance to these girls. there all girls with big breasts and cute faces there are no girls with a decreased size of breasts like in soulcalibur (Talim is the only example). in fact Tecmo released DOA beach Extreme Volleyball 1 and 2 only to show off there game girls figure.
Talim maybe the only one in soulcalibur 4 who's bust isn't increased.

once again you all bring up good points
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Old May 11, 2008, 08:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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you all bring up good points.
but i feel that there are some women who enjoy playing soulcalibur might be offended.
yes the targeted audience are males i get that but if you get the game just because the girls look sexy then you actually play the game, you might think why did i buy this game for.
look at DOA there is no blalance to these girls. there all girls with big breasts and cute faces there are no girls with a decreased size of breasts like in soulcalibur (Talim is the only example). in fact Tecmo released DOA beach Extreme Volleyball 1 and 2 only to show off there game girls figure.
Talim maybe the only one in soulcalibur 4 who's bust isn't increased.

once again you all bring up good points
While you bring up good points too, I would have to respectfully disagree. Here are my reasons:

1) If we use the same logic, then our male characters will not all have perfect hair. Some of them would even be fat or out of shape. But there are none (unless you count those token fat characters). You can ask any male gamer and they will tell you they are not offended (hopefully). Which brings me to my second point.

2) True female gamers don't really give a hoot. If they care about something so little they are either not a real gamer or they really haven't seen everything yet. You know those female gamer clans that compete professionally?? They get sexist jokes/comments thrown at them all the time. They keep their poise and play on.

3) And my third point is if we get pissed off over every single thing then there won't be games. GTA is full of "stereotypes", Mario Luigi with their accents, etc. I mean, do we need a Cooking Papa to pair up with Cooking Mama?


As for Talim, she's probably Asian that's why. [JUST JOKING!]
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Old May 11, 2008, 10:38 PM   #15 (permalink)
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While you bring up good points too, I would have to respectfully disagree. Here are my reasons:

1) If we use the same logic, then our male characters will not all have perfect hair. Some of them would even be fat or out of shape. But there are none (unless you count those token fat characters). You can ask any male gamer and they will tell you they are not offended (hopefully). Which brings me to my second point.

2) True female gamers don't really give a hoot. If they care about something so little they are either not a real gamer or they really haven't seen everything yet. You know those female gamer clans that compete professionally?? They get sexist jokes/comments thrown at them all the time. They keep their poise and play on.

3) And my third point is if we get pissed off over every single thing then there won't be games. GTA is full of "stereotypes", Mario Luigi with their accents, etc. I mean, do we need a Cooking Papa to pair up with Cooking Mama?


As for Talim, she's probably Asian that's why. [JUST JOKING!]

another good point. i didnt really put mario and luigi in perspective here.
you must really love your games dude.
but what do you think about tekken?
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Old May 12, 2008, 03:18 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: soul calibur 4 sexists?

Nowadays, it seems there's people doing nothing but going around looking for things to label "Inappropriate" or "Politically Incorrect". Sure, whining people have always been around, but lately they seem to have too much power. Like Legend said, if something was removed every time someone has a problem with it, they'd never be any video games, movies, or anything to entertain us. Then they'd have to find something else to blame when hundreds of board people just start trashing the place...

Sorry, random yet relavant rant...

Oh, & Talim's only 15 at the time of the 2nd Soul Calibur, though I think she's only slightly older by SC4, she is Asian though. The 29-during-SC2 Taki is Asian too. Started digging around a link earlier in this topic, & found stat pages for most of the SC2 characters. Didn't know that freek Voldo was 50 during SC2...

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Though the characters of Soul Calibur are designed to be rather attractive, especially the ladies, but that's nowhere as bad as some games I've seen around. I've played a wrestling game where it turned out you gotta rip your female opponents clothes off, 1 player winning once the other's girl is standing there in rather skimpy underwear. The guy who challenged me didn't tell me that part, though I stumbled on it to win...

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You were probably playing WWE Smackdown. That game mode is actually not the same considering how the real type of match already existed. It wasn't created to sell.
So that type of match already existed for real? Damn, Might be interesting to watch...

Just kidding. Wrestling doesn't interest me much...

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Old May 12, 2008, 05:16 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: soul calibur 4 sexists?

well lets see.....sex=pleasure....pleasure=good....good=buyb uybuybuy

lol, so yes, peiople use sex as a tool. it doesnt mean that the SC creators are sexist.
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Re: soul calibur 4 sexists?

Like I said, its not so much sexiest as it is exploitation which I find to be stupid but in the grand scheme of thing people don’t care because all they want is money, what ever sells the best they will use and in this case its sex or sexy sluty crap. Now I am not one of those people trying to label things appropriate or inappropriate, what I am saying is that it’s not necessary. But like I said, what ever causes the sell to increase they will use and people get their "pleasure."
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Old May 17, 2008, 07:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Like I said, its not so much sexiest as it is exploitation which I find to be stupid but in the grand scheme of thing people don’t care because all they want is money, what ever sells the best they will use and in this case its sex or sexy sluty crap. Now I am not one of those people trying to label things appropriate or inappropriate, what I am saying is that it’s not necessary. But like I said, what ever causes the sell to increase they will use and people get their "pleasure."
Cuz money leads to real women? [JOKE! ^_^;]

No one is getting exploited here. Honestly?? We going to have a non-profit organization for advancing game character's rights now?? But if what I read from a blog entry from kotaku is right, the ladies of Soul Calibur will be more covered up from their Japanese counterparts.

Soul Calibur: Namco Bandai In SHOCK Soul Calibur Breast Cover-Up

A bit odd in my opinion, but that's the American culture. Underboob = dangerous, violence = not so much.
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Re: soul calibur 4 sexists?

I think I'll have to agree with Legend there, it's definitely a bit weird. They'll cover up under her boobs, yet they're apparently adding enough blood to stain the screen, according to the comments below the link? While I see why some people would agree Ivy looks better covered up a bit more, it does kinda go with the lady like outfits she also appears in, I still think it's weird they're putting in blood, yet covering up their boobs more.

"We can't show as much boob, so we'll just splash some blood around..."

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Re: soul calibur 4 sexists?

i think this is totally stupid. i dont get it you can show all the blood and gore all you want but you can show alot of clevage. now with Ivy i dont care because she always shows a alot of much of T & A.
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Re: soul calibur 4 sexists?

I don't see what the huge deal is. So what if the girls of Soul Caliber are showing a little too much skin. It's what the public wants. And how is it exploitation? Last I checked the female characters are FICTION! Meaning they don't exist in real life. They have no feelings and once the game is done being completed they are typically thrown back into storage waiting for the game creators to make another game. I honestly don't see what the problem is. The more you skin that is in a videogame such as DOA the more money the game companies make. Money makes the world go round rather you like it or not.
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