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    Re: Why people blame video games

    nine years old, I read a book that had all kinds of torture, murder, etc. And when my mother found out, she threw a fit.

    But at nine years old, I sat down and talked to her about how I know the difference between a fiction book and what real life is.

    Parents should talk with their children, ask them "Why" questions.

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    Re: Why people blame video games

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna
    Come to think of it, isn't that where most of the complaints are coming from?
    You're probably right about that. There were some problems in Europe too though.
    The UK had a boy who executed another kid with a hammer (The violent video game Manhunt was blamed.) and Germany has had a couple of school shootings which were blamed on shooting games like counterstrike.
    The funny thing is that Germany is actually the strictest country in Europe in relation to video games(and probably beyond). Even before the shootings.

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    Re: Why people blame video games

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassun View Post
    People blame video games/TV/Movies/... simply because they want to blame something and they are too lazy to actually look for reasonable culprits.

    Can video games psychologically affect people? They sure can.
    Do video games make killers out of your children? Only if they already had those tendencies from the get-go.
    Some kids attempt to do the same thing they seen on movie's and game's like drinking or smoking, be in gang's, my cousin is in one and he's only 12 year's old, plus he learned alot from the movie's that are gang related.

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    Re: Why people blame video games

    it just another scape goat for politicians to pin it on some thing like game its not game it tv if it not that the go to the parent say its them which is true most of the time, but mostly its the kid him or her self that is to blame for what they did.
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    There is a unreasonable amount of blood/vilence in video games. Doesn't make it right to blame video games for what kids with no grip on reality would have done anyway. I have said this before but video games are good because they let you do things that you can't or shouldn't do in the real world. If you cross that line between fiction and reality then no one is to blame but yourself.

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    Re: Why people blame video games

    Quote Originally Posted by SniperWolf View Post
    Most people say video games are bad for you bacause of the violence that it has in it.The parents are the one who mostly blame the gaming company's which is their own faults for not watchng what their kids buy.Sad and yet true that their parents blame other things rather then themselve for what has happen to their child.They blame the violence in video games because their child become a shooter or some kind of serial killer...and yet they do not blame themselve.Their can be something wrong (emotionally) with a child for them to become like that or if something is going on with the family where the child has to hate everything. In other cases this only my perspective on this topic ..other people have differnt view rather than my own.
    I dont think video games turn people into killers but, it dose provoke negitive thoughts. I think movies and music are just as bad at provoking negitive thoughts but, I think the news is the worst at turning people into killers because all they ever show is death and destuction.

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    Re: Why people blame video games

    Quote Originally Posted by SniperWolf View Post
    Most people say video games are bad for you bacause of the violence that it has in it.The parents are the one who mostly blame the gaming company's which is their own faults for not watchng what their kids buy.Sad and yet true that their parents blame other things rather then themselve for what has happen to their child.They blame the violence in video games because their child become a shooter or some kind of serial killer...and yet they do not blame themselve.Their can be something wrong (emotionally) with a child for them to become like that or if something is going on with the family where the child has to hate everything. In other cases this only my perspective on this topic ..other people have differnt view rather than my own.
    I had to write an essay on a topic such as this one. And I have to say, people can be rediculous at times. I mean really, blame video game companies and whatnot because the products that they sell are too violent for their children?!!!! Are you serious?!!!!! THEY'RE THE ONE'S GIVING THEIR KIDS MONEY TO BUY THE GAMES! God, people like those are the reason others such as [ourselves] are embarrassed to be a part of humanity!! God, parents can be such hypocrites at times....damn. Sorry, but that upsets me very much! >:O I can only imagine what the companies must be going through.. Getting sued and whatnot because of the products they sell. I mean, the games do have age ratings on them, don't they? I just feel bad for the creators of the game who spend weeks..months..years of their lives trying to make 'the best game in the world' for gamers..and then have to go through this crap from the parents or others.

    sheesh.

    And as for the kids becoming mass murderers or thieves or something like that... Yeah, games have effect on that, but not any more than shows, movies, and music!! Plus, kids don't become killers out of the blue. They must have sometype of unhealthy family situation in the home or something from within themselves to spark that kind of behavior.

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    Re: Why people blame video games

    I take it this thread was made in relation to the 13 year old boy who killed a vagrant a la Manhunt. I think think it's fair to blame parents all the time. Sure they might be to blame sometimes but I bet none of you have seen this. After the murder Gabe at Penny Arcade( A webcomic which is highly influential in Gaming ) wrote an article about this murder, the boys "step mother"(She wasn't married to the boys father but had been there for years in the mother role) wrote a letter to PA. This is the letter in its entirety.

    Gabe,

    Your news post about the kids and the homeless man yesterday made me sick to my stomach, before I even read the CNN article. I knew what it was going to be about before even reading the article. It was not the article itself, or even your post that made me sick, it was the fact that I know this boy. Or, rather that I could be considered one of the “parents” of this boy.

    The boy’s father and I have been together for almost seven years, and I had what I guess could be called a “stepmother” relationship with the kid. To say that living with this kid was hell would be a complete understatement.

    I don’t think I have ever actively hated anyone in my entire life, but this kid just makes my blood boil.

    As I write this, my teeth are clenched, my hands are shaking, and my whole body is seething with the hatred I feel for this kid and what he has done. Seeing the article brings back all the horrible memories from when he lived with us.

    He was constantly in trouble in school, with the cops, with us, with his mother, and with anyone else who was an authority figure. Not a week went by that the school or the cops wouldn’t call us for something. His attitude was basically “**** you, I don’t have to listen to you” said with a shrug.

    We tried absolutely everything we could think of to get him to behave like a normal human being… we tried groundings, negative reinforcement / punishment, positive reinforcement, counseling, and anything and everything the counselors suggested. We tried to get him interested and involved in extracurricular activities, like hockey, drama, music, art, anything, but he got himself kicked out of every group he was in with his “make me” attitude. When we would ground him, we took away everything. No TV, no computer, no phone, no leaving the house, no snacks or junk food…. Everything. When he was grounded, he was only allowed to sit in his room and read or draw. He was actually a pretty good artist, and we tried to encourage him to spend his time working with his talent. He would just sit there and take it… the groundings had absolutely no affect on him at all. Most of the time, he didn’t even remember why he was being grounded. At the end of it, we would ask him if it was worth it to have everything taken away in exchange for what he did… he usually just shrugged. He could be grounded for weeks, or a month at a time, and then the very next day would do something to get back in trouble again. Most kids get grounded or punished a couple of times, and then they want to avoid having to go through it again… not this kid, nothing seemed to phase him.

    And we’re not talking the usual teenager stuff, like coming home late, or refusing to do the dishes. We’re talking stealing cars, setting fires, drinking, getting picked up for drugs, beating up handicapped kids at school (yes, really) stealing things out of our house… all with this “I’ll do whatever the **** I want” attitude.

    We had absolutely no idea what else we could do. We already had him in counseling, and we did everything the counselors suggested. We tried rewarding his good behavior (what little there was) to try to get him to see that when he behaves like a normal human being, things are good and people enjoy being around him. Nothing phased him at all.

    Then, things took an even worse turn when he decided that whenever he didn’t get his way, or we did something he didn’t like, he told his counselors and teachers that we were abusing him. (Never happened.) And for some inexplicable reason, everybody believed him. I understand that child abuse is a very serious situation, and that they have to take every possible case seriously, but this was clearly a case of him manipulating people to get what he wanted. We had people from the school, cops, and social services over at our house or calling us on a weekly basis stating some new abuse that he had made up. At 14, the boy was already 6’3” and over 200 pounds. Of course, there was never a mark on him, because no such abuse ever took place.

    One particular night (cops involved, as always) he decided that he didn’t have to listen to anything we said, and that he wasn’t coming home. He went to live with his mother, where things got worse by the day. He stole everything out of her home and sold it. He invited gang-bangers and drug dealers to her home, and she feared for her safety constantly. She called the cops numerous times because she feared for her safety, but again, the boy said that she abused him, and the cops always took his side. (For reference, the mother is about 5’3” and barely clocks in at 115.) He planted a loaded gun in her room, called the cops and told them that it belonged to the mother’s boyfriend. The boyfriend actually ended up serving time because of this ****ing bastard kid. She had two other young children in the house, and the gun and the abuse charges were an intentional plot to get the other two kids taken away from her. She tried restraining orders against the kid, but since he was a minor, they wouldn’t allow it. Every time he got picked up, she pleaded with the cops to take him to jail, maybe that would finally get though to him, but they just kept bringing him home to her. I don’t understand why everyone who was involved with this kid just blindly took this juvenile delinquent’s word over all else!

    The night that he and his friends murdered that poor homeless man, the mother said that he was acting particularly cocky. Then he threatened to kill her. We had absolutely no idea of what he had done until they found the man’s body. He was immediately waived into adult court (at 15) and sentenced to 15 years. We were all absolutely sick with grief for this man.

    We were also sick with guilt… “What could we have done differently?” was a constant question in all of our heads. After the kid was sentenced, all the cops, counselors, social workers, and people at the school that had been dealing with him contacted us and his mother and apologized for not taking us seriously. They are all trained to take all accusations of child abuse seriously, and as a part of that they blindly took the kid’s side for everything, and dismissed us as “the lying abusers”. Many of them told us that they wished they would have taken our pleas for help seriously. Everyone thought we were exaggerating about how ****ed up this kid was.

    I completely agree with your statement of “These kids were twelve kinds of nuts and that’s a fact.” But the reason I am writing this to you is that, after reading your news post yesterday, I felt that I needed to defend the boy’s parents. His mother and father and I did absolutely everything we could think of to try to keep this kid in line. Even the kinds of things that normal teenagers get in trouble for would have been a blessing compared to what we’ve been through with him.

    What I gave you today is a very small sampling of the kinds of things we were dealing with every single ****ing day with this kid. When people hear about what he’s done, I can always sense the “I’m sure there was something you could have done” comment coming up. What would you have done? How do you deal with a kid like this? Like I said, we did everything the counselors suggested, and nothing seemed to matter.

    If you want to add another element to the “nature vs. nurture” idea, this boy has a brother. Both boys were raised in the same house, with the same values. The brother has developed into a kind, considerate, responsible, and independent young man. He is currently working his butt off right now to save up money to go to school for architecture. The only thing I regret is that we spent so much time and energy dealing with the bad kid that this boy missed out on having a normal family life with a normal sibling relationship.

    I am sorry this got so long. I have been reading PA since the very beginning, and I feel that both of you are very much like me. I think we are the same age (29) and I have been a lifelong gamer like the two of you. I can’t stand hearing about the so-called correlation between games and real-life violence. Video games DID NOT make this kid who he was, and it’s unfortunate that the correlation is there.

    The thing that really gets me with this whole thing is that the kid knows full well that by equating what he’s done to a video game, that he will generate controversy and media coverage. It makes me sick that the media is jumping all over this, because that is exactly the result that he wants.

    The only good thing (if there is such a thing) that has come out of this whole ordeal is that the kid is behind bars. That is exactly where he needs to be.

    Again, I’m sorry about the length of this. Thanks for allowing me to “tell my side” of the story.
    Here is the original news post made by Gabe.

    It really speaks volumes about how parents aren't always to blame. In my own opinion if someone is going to kill someone just because they saw it in a game, then they are already completely messed up in the head. They have serious mental problems and need to be checked out. Also if they are going to be triggered by a game, then they will be triggered by game then surly anything else violent is going to make them snap as well?

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