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Old Apr 28, 2008, 05:52 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Re: Super Saiyan???

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If Broly was the ledgendary SSJ, then he wouldn't have goten defeated....three times. Now think about it? how many times has Goku ever lost? besides if he "Gave Up" "Sacrificed Himself" "Held Back" OR "Wasn't suffering from a heart attack"? NEVER! NEVER I SAY! lol

He hasn't died at a fight when he was 100%. at least i don't think so....
But in the only instence that i can recall of goku giving up it was against cell who he said he wouldnt of been able to beat.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 06:04 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: Super Saiyan???

This isn't going anywhere. I say we should maybe lay down some guidelines. First movies don't count. There non-canon and aren't considered part of the story or timeline. This immeadiatly throws Broly out(sorry Broly fans but its the truth). OK now that thats finished with I'd say since GT wasn't part of the manga then it's not part of the real series either. We need to stick with strickly Akira Toriyama stuff. So taking this into account all SS4 characters are thrown out. Now were talking about THE Legendary Super Saiyan, not super saiyans so I think that means we shouldn't take into account fusions. Especially because none of them actually defeat anything or are permanent(Vegito wasn't permanent remember that). Finally I think only purebreeds should count. Ok these sound like some pretty good guidelines to follow.

I'm going to come out and say that the title of Legendary Super Saiyan belongs to Goku. He is the only character that reaches the level of Super Saiyan 3(and isn't fusion or a non-purebreed). The only one who really counts now with these new guidelines is Vegeta. Vegeta never makes it to level three so that should count him out, infact he never attains level 2 either instead he borrows the power from Babidi. With this being stated I belive that we should agree that Goku is the true legendary Super Saiyan.

For the record I'm not an biased Goku fan. My favorite is actually Gohan. Goku isn't even in my Top 5 favorite characters.
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Re: Super Saiyan???

If you exclude half-breeds, then Goku would be the Legendary Super Saiyan, but if half-breeds are included I think Gohan would have surpassed Goku if he had stuck with it or rather had to due to necessity.
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Re: Super Saiyan???

I don't think that broly could have been the one, because if he was then the movies wouldn't have been started. They said one saiyan was so powerful he destroyed the planet and himself, so if it was broly he'd be dead. And yes I agree, the only reason vegeta was able to go SSJ was mainly because of goku's nature of showing him to be kind to others. But at the same time, broly went SSJ out of pure rage and not out of emotions for others. So that would state that it's not only based on the will to protect and survive, but something deeper. Like with broly I think he went SSJ just out of the fact goku as a little baby crying bothered him to no end then eventually something inside him snapped and made him want to kill him.
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