Kenpachi's Zanpakuto - Page 4

*Innerhell* · Apr 01, 2008, 12:35 AM

Everyone that stated that Kenpachi's zanpaku-to is released is correct. Kenpachi's zanpaku-to is indeed permanently in Shikai. Arguing otherwise is meaningless because it even says so in the series.

You do not necessarily need to know the name of your zanpaku-to to release your sword. but you do need to know the name if you want to advance it's powers further.

Ichigo's zanpaku-to is also permanently in it's Shikai. When arguing about it's shape, one must consider the following:

The zanpaku-to that Ichigo had at the start of the series was essentially a variant of Rukia's original zanpaku-to. It wasn't an exact duplicate. It had it's own personal features that differed from Rukia's zanpaku-to aside from it's immense size.
When Byakuya destroyed Ichigo's ability to become a Shinigami, Ichigo underwent training with Urahara. The results of the training was Ichigo regaining his powers as well as obtaining the true shape of his own zanpaku-to.
Ichigo has an unnaturally large amount of reiatsu. Just like Kenpachi. The two of them have more reiatsu than most Shinigami. Even other Captains. Ichigo once queried with Yoruichi about the shape of his zanpaku-to. It was during Ichigo's bankai training. Yoruichi was explaining the difference between shikai and bankai. Yoruichi commented that because of Ichigo's reiatsu, his zanpaku-to will always be stuck on shikai. Ichigo then commented that it was just like Kenpachi.

In conclusion, Kenpachi is permanently in Shikai. Ichigo is permanently in Shikai. The end.

Flclking22 · May 11, 2008, 12:10 AM

but the fact that kenpachi could just do the same training as Ichigo.... and get his bankai, makes me wonder. not only that. But I don't think that Kinpachi's zan-pakuto is in its skikai. I think that its stuck in blade form. because he has not even seen the face of his zan-pakuto, so he couldn't have possibly released it in the first place.... T-T... you need to know the name of it to call it out. I think that that manga just proves that ichigo doesn't realize that its two completely different situations.

Hassun · May 14, 2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Flclking22

but the fact that kenpachi could just do the same training as Ichigo.... and get his bankai, makes me wonder. not only that. But I don't think that Kinpachi's zan-pakuto is in its skikai. I think that its stuck in blade form. because he has not even seen the face of his zan-pakuto, so he couldn't have possibly released it in the first place.... T-T... you need to know the name of it to call it out. I think that that manga just proves that ichigo doesn't realize that its two completely different situations.

Did you even ATTEMPT to read what Innerhell just posted?

heartless · May 14, 2008, 08:55 PM

well i zaraki is one strong shinigami..even if he doesn't have a shikai and bankai..he refuses be help by his zanpaktou coz he wants to fight with his own strenght..i think when the time comes that he knew the name of his zanpaktou..he would be stronger than the other captains coz even without his zanpaktou released he is on a captain level..

NeoDeath90 · May 15, 2008, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by heartless

well i zaraki is one strong shinigami..even if he doesn't have a shikai and bankai..he refuses be help by his zanpaktou coz he wants to fight with his own strenght..i think when the time comes that he knew the name of his zanpaktou..he would be stronger than the other captains coz even without his zanpaktou released he is on a captain level..

does anyone read past posts?

Innerhell explained already that Kenpachi's sword is released, and is permanently released, much like Zangetsu.

heartless · May 15, 2008, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NeoDeath90

does anyone read past posts?

Innerhell explained already that Kenpachi's sword is released, and is permanently released, much like Zangetsu.

well sorry my fault for not reading it and sorry my bad.i know it is in release form like ichigo's zanapktou but wat i meant is kenpachi doesnt know yet the name of his zanpaktou

Hassun · May 15, 2008, 09:47 AM

And apparently that isn't a necessity.

Flclking22 · May 15, 2008, 04:13 PM

I read it. It just that his explanations made no sense. no where does it state that the shikai can be obtained with out the at least knowledge of the name of the zanpakuto.

I checked afterwards. I couldn't find anything stating that you dont need to know the name of ur zanpakuto to get to shikai.T-T

*Innerhell* · May 19, 2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Flclking22

but the fact that kenpachi could just do the same training as Ichigo.... and get his bankai, makes me wonder. not only that. But I don't think that Kinpachi's zan-pakuto is in its skikai. I think that its stuck in blade form. because he has not even seen the face of his zan-pakuto, so he couldn't have possibly released it in the first place.... T-T... you need to know the name of it to call it out. I think that that manga just proves that ichigo doesn't realize that its two completely different situations.

No, both Ichigo and Kenpachi's situations are exactly the same aside from Ichigo's actual knowledge of Zangetsu's name. Both Ichigo and Kenpachi have unusually large amounts of reiatsu. In both cases, they have far too much for themselves to contain. Whereas both just leave their Zanpaku-to unreleased, Kenpachi uses that special reiatsu-eating eyepatch to limit his own reiatsu.

As for the name issue, the concept of knowing the name of your Zanpaku-to gives your Zanpaku-to more options such as compressing it's size to a more easier-to-handle state as well as evolving it to the point of Bankai.

The idea that Kenpachi doesn't even know the name of his Zanpaku-to is relevant to it's current permanently released state. By not knowing it's name, his Zanpaku-to is uncontained, unrestricted, and unleashed at it's purest to the point where it's size is ridiculously large in comparison to a regular Shinigami's Zanpaku-to. If Kenpachi had known it's name, he would have had the ability to contain it's energy in a compressed and sealed form.

Yes, in most cases, a Zanpaku-to shouldn't even be able to awaken if it's user doesn't even know it's respective name, but you're forgetting that Kenpachi -like Ichigo- is a special case with more reiatsu than normal.

Flclking22 · May 22, 2008, 06:14 PM

but... his zan-pakuto isn't all that large. Its longer, and its regenerating qualities are above average. but the zan-pakuto itself is not all that larger than the average. What Kenpatchi has over all is the spirit DENSITY. The density of his blade is able to simply cut through regular zan-pakuto. Not only that, but with the released shikai, the sword it capable of an ability. Where as Kenpachi has no outstanding powers coming from his blade.

*Innerhell* · May 22, 2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flclking22

but... his zan-pakuto isn't all that large. Its longer, and its regenerating qualities are above average. but the zan-pakuto itself is not all that larger than the average. What Kenpatchi has over all is the spirit DENSITY. The density of his blade is able to simply cut through regular zan-pakuto. Not only that, but with the released shikai, the sword it capable of an ability. Where as Kenpachi has no outstanding powers coming from his blade.

Consider the average. The sealed versions of Zanpaku-to are mostly regular katana [70-90 cm/27-35 in]. Yes, what is compared are sealed Zanpaku-to. If we were comparing Kenpachi's Shikai with other Shikai, of course Kenpachi wouldn't seem that large.

A Zanpaku-to capable of a special ability if the Shinigami knows it's name.

Reiatsu = spirit density.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the name of Kenpachi's zanpaku-to was Kendo.

Anyway, Kenpachi's Zanpaku-to is in permanent Shikai much like Ichigo's Zanpaku-to is permanently in Shikai. It's been officially confirmed by the series.

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Innerhell of the AMC Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: hanging out at Gaia's /amc/ as "[Ih]" Posts: 2,011 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Credits: 5,620	Re: Kenpachi's Zanpakuto Everyone that stated that Kenpachi's zanpaku-to is released is correct. Kenpachi's zanpaku-to is indeed permanently in Shikai. Arguing otherwise is meaningless because it even says so in the series. You do not necessarily need to know the name of your zanpaku-to to release your sword. but you do need to know the name if you want to advance it's powers further. Ichigo's zanpaku-to is also permanently in it's Shikai. When arguing about it's shape, one must consider the following: The zanpaku-to that Ichigo had at the start of the series was essentially a variant of Rukia's original zanpaku-to. It wasn't an exact duplicate. It had it's own personal features that differed from Rukia's zanpaku-to aside from it's immense size. When Byakuya destroyed Ichigo's ability to become a Shinigami, Ichigo underwent training with Urahara. The results of the training was Ichigo regaining his powers as well as obtaining the true shape of his own zanpaku-to. Ichigo has an unnaturally large amount of reiatsu. Just like Kenpachi. The two of them have more reiatsu than most Shinigami. Even other Captains. Ichigo once queried with Yoruichi about the shape of his zanpaku-to. It was during Ichigo's bankai training. Yoruichi was explaining the difference between shikai and bankai. Yoruichi commented that because of Ichigo's reiatsu, his zanpaku-to will always be stuck on shikai. Ichigo then commented that it was just like Kenpachi. In conclusion, Kenpachi is permanently in Shikai. Ichigo is permanently in Shikai. The end. __________________ Have a nice day. Last edited by Innerhell; Apr 01, 2008 at 10:19 PM.
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Flclking22 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hell, Colorado Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 1,676	Re: Kenpachi's Zanpakuto but the fact that kenpachi could just do the same training as Ichigo.... and get his bankai, makes me wonder. not only that. But I don't think that Kinpachi's zan-pakuto is in its skikai. I think that its stuck in blade form. because he has not even seen the face of his zan-pakuto, so he couldn't have possibly released it in the first place.... T-T... you need to know the name of it to call it out. I think that that manga just proves that ichigo doesn't realize that its two completely different situations. __________________ "God is in his throne. All is right with the world." NERV Non mihi, non tila, sed nobis. flcl_king_23@hotmail.com
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Flclking22 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hell, Colorado Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 1,676	Re: Kenpachi's Zanpakuto I read it. It just that his explanations made no sense. no where does it state that the shikai can be obtained with out the at least knowledge of the name of the zanpakuto. I checked afterwards. I couldn't find anything stating that you dont need to know the name of ur zanpakuto to get to shikai.T-T __________________ "God is in his throne. All is right with the world." NERV Non mihi, non tila, sed nobis. flcl_king_23@hotmail.com
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Flclking22 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hell, Colorado Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 1,676	Re: Kenpachi's Zanpakuto but... his zan-pakuto isn't all that large. Its longer, and its regenerating qualities are above average. but the zan-pakuto itself is not all that larger than the average. What Kenpatchi has over all is the spirit DENSITY. The density of his blade is able to simply cut through regular zan-pakuto. Not only that, but with the released shikai, the sword it capable of an ability. Where as Kenpachi has no outstanding powers coming from his blade. __________________ "God is in his throne. All is right with the world." NERV Non mihi, non tila, sed nobis. flcl_king_23@hotmail.com
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