The Other Naruto/Yondaime Theory

*Innerhell* · Jan 28, 2007, 06:04 PM

Okay, I'm sure everyone thinks that Yondaime (Fourth Hokage) and Naruto are father and son. Well, allow me to introduce you to another theory.

Naruto = Yondaime?

Sounds ridiculous, does it not? Well, don't push it aside yet. Here's how it basically works out:

Yondaime used the same kinjutsu (forbidden jutsu) that Sandaime (Third Hokage) used on Orochimaru. When Sandaime used it, he ended up with the spiral mark on his belly which is very similar to Naruto's own spiral mark. When Yondaime used the Shiki Fuin on Kyuubi, both Kyuubi and Yondaime are supposed to be trapped inside the Shinigami's stomach. But seeing as Yondaime is a very ingenuitive individual who himself taught Sandaime said forbidden jutsu, perhaps he used a jutsu to counter the Shinigami and force the Kyuubi chakra into himself. The sudden fusion of chakra basically turned Yondaime into a baby which would then grow up to be Naruto.

Still sounds ridiculous? Check out these inconsistencies:

==> Naruto and Yondaime have the exact same blood type. Even if they were father and son, the genetics of the mother would still need to be considered.

==> Isn't it a little convenient for a newborn baby to just pop out right when Yondaime needed a container for the Kyuubi chakra?

==> So far we haven't seen the Yondaime's body. We haven't seen his grave, his memorial, anything. Seeing as this is the guy that saved the entire village from the Kyuubi menace, you'd think that his memorial would rival that of Sandaime's, but no, he just gets his face carved on the side of a mountain.

Oh, I'm sure people will want to point out Orochimaru and his three coffins, but guess what? We have no idea what was inside the third coffin. It is implied that it could be the Fourth Hokage, but that's only because the first and second held.. the First and Second. Put one and two together to get three. Logic like that.

But wait! Why did Sandaime only stop the third coffin!? Well... If you saw your old teachers that were like fathers to you suddenly pop out of the ground, I think you would take a couple minutes to stand in awe and gasp. It took Sandaime a while to react to what was happening. If he knew that a whole lot of pain was coming from inside those coffins, he would have stopped them without flinching.

But if this theory was true, who would be the most likely people to know this big secret? Most likely the Third Hokage and maybe Jiraiya. I'm sure that if anyone outside of that circle knew about who Naruto really was, they would've treated him with more respect. The adults in Konoha treats Naruto like crap while the village elders treat him like a dangerous threat that could destroy the village. Jiraiya was Yondaime's sensei so of course he would know. There was one moment when Jiraiya said sorry to the Fourth when he threw Naruto down the crevasse during Naruto's summoning training. Yondaime probably told the Third the whole speech about how the child should be treated like a hero before he.. turned into a baby. (God, no matter how many times I say that, it sounds so silly).

I'm sure that the de-aging concept sounds ridiculous. Reincarnation theories tend to sound like that: ridiculous, but the facts all point to something. I'm sure there are holes in my theory. Nothing is ever written in stone unless Kishimoto says so. Yondaime being Naruto's father is just too predictable. Kishimoto is most likely probably aware that almost everyone in his fanbase believes in the same thing: "OMG! THE FOURTH IS NARUTO'S DADDY!!" I'm sure that Kishimoto would just love to derail everyone's beliefs with a plot twist like this.

Discuss.

mclay82 · Jan 31, 2007, 05:37 PM

Finally someone who has the same theory as myself, i also have come to the same conclusion that Naruto is Yondaime himself and not his son or any other relative. I also think that Naruto learned the Rasengan in such a short amount of time because he sub-consciencely knew how to do it from during the time when he was Yondaime. Jiriaya mentioned that it took the fourth 3 years to learn, and i dont think that Naruto could have learned it in under the same 3 years if he wasn't indeed the Fourth Hokage

JefferyXie · Feb 01, 2007, 12:17 AM

This is very debatable.After i thought about it,your theory could be true.It kind of makes more sense than the one that was mentioned about the 4th being Naruto's dad.At the moment we cannot confirm it yet but the reasons that you presented makes a bit more sense,i guess.You have convinced me with your argument.

Descended From Darkness · Feb 01, 2007, 01:53 PM

It's not possible..even your statements do seem true, but explain to me why Jiriya said "Forgive me 4th" when he pushed Naruto off the cliff. And forver more Masahi Kishimoto hasn't even said that the Yondaime is his dad..it could be someone completly different. But we'll never know.

*Innerhell* · Feb 01, 2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Descended From Darkness

It's not possible..even your statements do seem true, but explain to me why Jiriya said "Forgive me 4th" when he pushed Naruto off the cliff. And forver more Masahi Kishimoto hasn't even said that the Yondaime is his dad..it could be someone completly different. But we'll never know.

Isn't it possible that Jiraiya was saying "Forgive me, Fourth" to Naruto?

Also, yes, Kishimoto hasn't said that Yondi was Naruto's dad, but he has put plenty of subtle hints. Making the two characters have similar looks and similar personality was some of those hints, but then again, those "hints" only look subtle to the over-imaginative fanbase. Either way, Kishimoto most likely is highly aware that his fans believe that Yondi and Naruto are father and son. Of course, we don't know. We won't ever know until Kishimoto decides to reveal the truth of Naruto's parentage. For now, we can only speculate.

Sasuke Is Emo · Feb 04, 2007, 12:48 PM

wow i never thought of this... you have gotten to something here... its true the mark is the same on the belly... and there is no grave... another thing that could make this true is in chap 340 of the manga kakashi sees the fourth in naruto... plus have you ever put there pics together? its a match! in all i think this is a very good theory innerhell... your very good at this... o and perhaps when jiraya said forgive me 4th it was because naruto is the fourth... but here is another theory... what if the fourth not wanting the kyuubi to ever get loose infused himself with the kyubi????that way when the seal eventually breaks (cause it will they keep hinting) the 4th will come out and like re seal it before naruto dies... but then again i may be reatarded!

Crimson_Inferno · Feb 20, 2007, 07:30 PM

It is good to know that other people share the same views as myself as I have come to the conclusion that Naruto is in fact the Fourth also due to points you've stated. Also I think the father/son theory is too obvious especially how just about everyone seems to believe this theory I believe that Naruto actually being the Fourth is the major twist that everyone expects to happen.

*anime_being_god* · Feb 21, 2007, 11:09 AM

Its a good possiblity. Too me its either that theory or the father and son. Either way would be fine with me

lebasiara · Feb 26, 2007, 12:45 PM

That's an interesting theory,and i think you are right.... I was wondering myself that Naruto could be Yondaime... cos He created the Rasengan in 3 years and Naruto in about a week he had it domained...

Aeloura · Sep 18, 2007, 09:45 PM

the thoery about "naruto being the fourth" and "naruto=yondaime" could be possible... but there's also the probability that the hints and clues are ways to distract the viewers. naruto could be someone or something else. let's just wait and see.

Hassun · Sep 19, 2007, 04:50 AM

It has already been revealed that Naruto is the son of Yondaime.

Jan 28, 2007, 06:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Innerhell of the AMC Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: hanging out at Gaia's /amc/ as "[Ih]" Posts: 2,011 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Credits: 5,620	The Other Naruto/Yondaime Theory Okay, I'm sure everyone thinks that Yondaime (Fourth Hokage) and Naruto are father and son. Well, allow me to introduce you to another theory. Naruto = Yondaime? Sounds ridiculous, does it not? Well, don't push it aside yet. Here's how it basically works out: Yondaime used the same kinjutsu (forbidden jutsu) that Sandaime (Third Hokage) used on Orochimaru. When Sandaime used it, he ended up with the spiral mark on his belly which is very similar to Naruto's own spiral mark. When Yondaime used the Shiki Fuin on Kyuubi, both Kyuubi and Yondaime are supposed to be trapped inside the Shinigami's stomach. But seeing as Yondaime is a very ingenuitive individual who himself taught Sandaime said forbidden jutsu, perhaps he used a jutsu to counter the Shinigami and force the Kyuubi chakra into himself. The sudden fusion of chakra basically turned Yondaime into a baby which would then grow up to be Naruto. Still sounds ridiculous? Check out these inconsistencies: ==> Naruto and Yondaime have the exact same blood type. Even if they were father and son, the genetics of the mother would still need to be considered. ==> Isn't it a little convenient for a newborn baby to just pop out right when Yondaime needed a container for the Kyuubi chakra? ==> So far we haven't seen the Yondaime's body. We haven't seen his grave, his memorial, anything. Seeing as this is the guy that saved the entire village from the Kyuubi menace, you'd think that his memorial would rival that of Sandaime's, but no, he just gets his face carved on the side of a mountain. Oh, I'm sure people will want to point out Orochimaru and his three coffins, but guess what? We have no idea what was inside the third coffin. It is implied that it could be the Fourth Hokage, but that's only because the first and second held.. the First and Second. Put one and two together to get three. Logic like that. But wait! Why did Sandaime only stop the third coffin!? Well... If you saw your old teachers that were like fathers to you suddenly pop out of the ground, I think you would take a couple minutes to stand in awe and gasp. It took Sandaime a while to react to what was happening. If he knew that a whole lot of pain was coming from inside those coffins, he would have stopped them without flinching. But if this theory was true, who would be the most likely people to know this big secret? Most likely the Third Hokage and maybe Jiraiya. I'm sure that if anyone outside of that circle knew about who Naruto really was, they would've treated him with more respect. The adults in Konoha treats Naruto like crap while the village elders treat him like a dangerous threat that could destroy the village. Jiraiya was Yondaime's sensei so of course he would know. There was one moment when Jiraiya said sorry to the Fourth when he threw Naruto down the crevasse during Naruto's summoning training. Yondaime probably told the Third the whole speech about how the child should be treated like a hero before he.. turned into a baby. (God, no matter how many times I say that, it sounds so silly). I'm sure that the de-aging concept sounds ridiculous. Reincarnation theories tend to sound like that: ridiculous, but the facts all point to something. I'm sure there are holes in my theory. Nothing is ever written in stone unless Kishimoto says so. Yondaime being Naruto's father is just too predictable. Kishimoto is most likely probably aware that almost everyone in his fanbase believes in the same thing: "OMG! THE FOURTH IS NARUTO'S DADDY!!" I'm sure that Kishimoto would just love to derail everyone's beliefs with a plot twist like this. Discuss. __________________ Have a nice day. Last edited by Innerhell; Jan 31, 2007 at 06:32 PM.
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mclay82 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Winfield, KS Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 139	Re: The Other Naruto/Yondaime Theory Finally someone who has the same theory as myself, i also have come to the same conclusion that Naruto is Yondaime himself and not his son or any other relative. I also think that Naruto learned the Rasengan in such a short amount of time because he sub-consciencely knew how to do it from during the time when he was Yondaime. Jiriaya mentioned that it took the fourth 3 years to learn, and i dont think that Naruto could have learned it in under the same 3 years if he wasn't indeed the Fourth Hokage
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JefferyXie Shichibukai Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 613 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 210	Re: The Other Naruto/Yondaime Theory This is very debatable.After i thought about it,your theory could be true.It kind of makes more sense than the one that was mentioned about the 4th being Naruto's dad.At the moment we cannot confirm it yet but the reasons that you presented makes a bit more sense,i guess.You have convinced me with your argument.
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Descended From Darkness Jigoku Shoujo Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: somewhere far far away from here. Posts: 505 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Credits: 9,761	Re: The Other Naruto/Yondaime Theory It's not possible..even your statements do seem true, but explain to me why Jiriya said "Forgive me 4th" when he pushed Naruto off the cliff. And forver more Masahi Kishimoto hasn't even said that the Yondaime is his dad..it could be someone completly different. But we'll never know. __________________ Thanx zyta for the awesome set [ Rai's Gallery: Rai's myspace : Rai's Deviantart: Angelic Ruin:SpiritDetective
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Sasuke Is Emo Diamond in the Rough Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 451	Re: The Other Naruto/Yondaime Theory wow i never thought of this... you have gotten to something here... its true the mark is the same on the belly... and there is no grave... another thing that could make this true is in chap 340 of the manga kakashi sees the fourth in naruto... plus have you ever put there pics together? its a match! in all i think this is a very good theory innerhell... your very good at this... o and perhaps when jiraya said forgive me 4th it was because naruto is the fourth... but here is another theory... what if the fourth not wanting the kyuubi to ever get loose infused himself with the kyubi????that way when the seal eventually breaks (cause it will they keep hinting) the 4th will come out and like re seal it before naruto dies... but then again i may be reatarded! __________________ Love only if you are willing to hate.
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Crimson_Inferno Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 402	Re: The Other Naruto/Yondaime Theory It is good to know that other people share the same views as myself as I have come to the conclusion that Naruto is in fact the Fourth also due to points you've stated. Also I think the father/son theory is too obvious especially how just about everyone seems to believe this theory I believe that Naruto actually being the Fourth is the major twist that everyone expects to happen. __________________
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Aeloura Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: philippines Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 10	Re: The Other Naruto/Yondaime Theory the thoery about "naruto being the fourth" and "naruto=yondaime" could be possible... but there's also the probability that the hints and clues are ways to distract the viewers. naruto could be someone or something else. let's just wait and see.
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