Tbaism

Wow, going right past the point into irrelevant. First, I never said he didn't have a heart, blah blah yadda yadda. As I said, he fulfilled his duty, my words first remember? They were used to wipe out entire cities in one night, ultimate weapons.

The battle in Ishabl was not a duel. Hassun was making that as his point. Lets not forget that Mustang's objective is not to kill, but to merely incapacitate Ed in their duel. The only significance of Ishbal during this duel, is the haunting memories and flashbacks he recieves afterwards. It stopped him momentarily, but that did not effect Roy's ability to finish off ED. Again, his objective was not to kill but merely incapacitate. The flashback made him hesitate for a split second and that was the end.

You cannot compare the dead kid in Ishbal to the duel between Roy and Ed. They are completely different under many circumstances. Explain? Why, it has already been explained in the series, check it out again if you must.

LichGRIFFIN

so if i can't compare the dead kid in Ishibal to the duel between Roy & Ed then why did Roy remembered the kid in the first place and if what you said is true then Roy wouldn't have a moment hesitation and would finish Ed off(finish Ed and not killing him as you said i did say)

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Tbaism

Alright time to spell things out with wikipedia.

"Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is the term used to describe a severe and on-going emotional reaction that results from exposure to extreme stress and/ortrauma.[1] Clinically, such events involve actual or threatened death, serious physical injury, or a threat to physical and/or psychological integrity, to a degree that usual psychological defenses are incapable of coping with the impact. It is occasionally called post-traumatic stress reaction to emphasize that it is a result of traumatic experience rather than a manifestation of a pre-existing psychological condition. The presence of a PTSD response is influenced by the intensity of the experience, its duration, and the individual person involved.

PTSD may be triggered by an external factor or factors. Its symptoms can include the following: nightmares, flashbacks, emotional detachment or numbing of feelings (emotional self-mortification or dissociation), insomnia, avoidance of reminders and extreme distress when exposed to the reminders ("triggers"), loss of appetite, irritability, hypervigilance, memory loss (may appear as difficulty paying attention), excessive startle response, clinical depression, and anxiety. It is also possible for a person suffering from PTSD to exhibit one or more other comorbid psychiatric disorders; these disorders often include clinical depression (or bipolar disorder), general anxiety disorder, and a variety of addictions." - Wikipedia/PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome)

Alrighty, now that that is cleared up, let me explain this again. Ishabl was a war, a battle, a life and death situation, a conflict with casualties, dismemberment, bullets holes, blood, guts, the whole nine yeards. I place emphasis on the life or death situation most. That was Ishbal.

What happened between Ed and Roy was a duel. I don't know how many times we have to say it, but a duel is not a life or death situation. It is a competition, friendly, usually death is not a factor when participating in this event. Consider it a good old sparring match, because that is what it was. Again, a duel is not a battle, a battle is not a duel.

Now the significance of both events are tied by the PTSD. You do not compare these two events, they are merely tied together. Flashbacks such as Roy's was unitentional and compltely caught him off guard. Why? It is most likely because Ed and Roy were in the exact same physical positions as Roy and the Ishbalan kid were in during the battle. It was purely physical, not mental, not life threatening, the circumstances were far from the same and have no bearing on this what so ever. In similar situations, PTSD can be triggered, and this is what happened with Mustang. If it were mental, it was insignificant in comparison to what Mustang had experienced during Ishbal. It oculd have been an increase of excitement, stress, possibly just wanting to get the thing over with.

He was instantly transported back in time to the Ishbalan incident, via mental process, and it was very brief; it took just enough time for Ed to thrust his sword. Roy was not scared because Ed looked like the kid, because he was afraid of killing him, or any such occurence in the match. He was hesitant because he was brought back to an episode in his life that was the worst experience he had ever encountered.

Roy was in it for keeps and so was ED, but the flashback was not part of the plan what so ever, and that is what ended the fight. It wasn't a turning point, it wasn't a draw, it just ended.

Well I can't find anyway to make that more clear. So there you go.

There is no comparison!!

LichGRIFFIN

Your post is awesome yet i don't recall saying that Roy was scared because Ed looked like the kid all i wanted to say from the begining to Hassun that Roy hesitated in finishing Ed off(and not KILLING him) because he recalled the ishabalan boy Physically and NOT mentally(and that's what you had said brilliantly) ---meaning:i didn't say anything that's different from your post plus i didn't say that Roy dueled against the ishabalan child or Roy is having a war with ED !!!!!

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Hassun

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking about maamon's post in which he said something about a duel during the Ishbal war. Which is untrue. That's all.

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LichGRIFFIN

I see ... anyway i gave my opinion about the subject

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maamon

What ???!!!!!
I left you for one day and this what happened ?!!
my dear friends I said "fight" ... I never said "Duel" ...
let me clear my point of view ...
Roy mustang is a soldier ... he was ordered to enter and destroy the city of Ishibal ... he killed many many innocent people including that boy ... he wasn't happy about what was he doing ... but it's orders ... when he killed the two doctors later in that war ... he made a promise with himself to never obey irrational orders like that ... that's why he is trying to be the fuhrer ... to prevent killing innocent people like that ...
so ... when he was in the "Duel" with Ed ... when he won and about to finish Ed ... he remembered that unhappy memories ... about killing that kid ... who should be playing around peacefully and protected by the military not killed by them ... because Ed after all is kid too ...

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Hassun

Fight or duel, it wasn't either of those two anyway.
And by "killing those two doctors" you don't mean the Rockbells do you? Winry's parents? Because they were killed by Scar.

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Ochi Gate

actualy, i do think mustang killed them, cap'n. but i could be wrong. cuz marcho was talking about it, remember? well, at least in the anime...

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maamon

well ... Roy Mustang confessed that he killed them in front of Winry, Ed, Al, Armistrong ... and the others on episode 43 ... I'm watching it now ... !!

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Hassun

Then they apparently changed that from the manga because Scar clearly killed the Rockbells in the manga.

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